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2008
Posted by Brian Mitchell as Vitamin c
One of the most succinct and strong arguments justifying a higher standard intake of vitamin C can be found in nature. The argument is this, nearly all other animals in nature manufacture their own vitamin C. These animals synthesize their own vitamin C in much larger quantities than we are advised to consume for ourselves. Why is this? Somewhere along the way, due to a genetic mutation, humans lost the ability to make one of the four enzymes necessary to turn the simple sugar glucose into vitamin C.
With few exceptions, humans have virtually the exact dietary needs of other mammals in nature. There are very few animals in nature that do not synthesize their own vitamin C. We are one of those animals, along with gorillas and guinea pigs to name a few.
Animals that do make their own vitamin C, do so at a level of about 30-300 mg per kilogram per day. According to this scale if a 70kg(154lb) human could still manufacture its own vitamin C, it would do so in the range of 2,100 or 21,000 mg per day. This is equivalent to 2.1 to 21 grams per day. This wide range of vitamin c synthesis is due to the similarly wide range of diets found in these animals. Some eat large amounts of fresh vegetation and need to manufacture less of their own vitamin C. Other animals are strictly carnivorous, thereby receiving little vitamin C from their diets and as such required to manufacture more vitamin C per kilogram body weight than that produced by herbivores with vitamin C rich diets. This production in nature of 2,100 to 21,000 grams per 70kg vertebrate is still 35-350 times the recommended 60mg USRDA daily intake.
It is difficult to believe that all other vertebrates in nature(literally thousands of animals) would produce these comparatively large amounts of vitamin c if it were not necessary for them in some way. It is also a struggle to conceive that humans are so much different from other animals in nature that they could maintain optimal health on a comparatively minuscule dose of vitamin C that other vertebrates in nature seem to find essential. The Food and Nutrition Board may not think you need much vitamin C, but the physiology of all other vertebrates in nature would seem to disagree.
Dr. Linus Pauling had this to say, ” Other animals, including the goat, cow, sheep, mouse, gerbil, rabbit, cat and dog, also manufacture vitamin C at a high rate, averaging about 10,000 mg per day for 70kg(154 lbs) body weight… I conclude that the optimum daily intake of vitamin C for most adult human beings lies in the range of 2.3 to 10 grams per day. The amount of biochemical variability is such that for large populations the range for this dosage may be as much as 250 mg to 20 grams per day.” This large range is due to the fact that animals under stress or that have succumbed to infection can produce 4-5 times the amount of vitamin C that they would under normal conditions.”
It would seem from the evidence found in animals that we vertabrate, creatures of nature known as humans need far more than 60 mg of vitamin c daily to compensate for our inability to make it in our own bodies.
37 Responses
Mark Mulholland
April 16th, 2009 at 1:36 pm
1Interesting post. My personal experience is certainly in line with this. I’ve always loaded up on Vitamin C whenever I have felt a cold or sore throat coming on, both with oranges, and supplements. My wife and other friends pooh-pooh the practice, citing some vague thing they heard somewhere about mega doses of this or that causing health problems. Whatever. I notice however that I always manage to ward colds off while they are buried in sickness for weeks.
Rita
April 16th, 2009 at 1:57 pm
2That is absolutely fascinating. I had no idea that animals could manufacture their own vitamin C. It’s strange then that human bodies can’t do so. Why do you think the human body is so different in that way? Do you think that we as humans have evolved to some degree, since our diets now have much more variety to them than when we were just hunters and gatherers?
Rita,
Vitamin C is produced from glucose. This biochemical process requires the action of four separate enzymes. We humans have lost the ability to make the third of these four enzymes necessary for the synthesis of vitamin C.
I actually think that our diets have devolved due to the over-processing, preservatives, assorted other toxic artificial ingredients and overall poor quality available to us in spite of the increased variety. At least the hunters and gatherers ate fresh, nutrient rich, unmolested food.
Thank you for your comment
Brian
Jim Hickey
April 16th, 2009 at 2:05 pm
3Interesting post. It’s amazing to think there can be so much disagreement n a subject such as this or at least there is until you consider the nature of the mainstream view of health and medicine today …. don’t worry about preventing a problem; just be ready to fix it.
Fortunately …. that mindset appears to be changing with time.
Dianne Hansen
April 16th, 2009 at 2:12 pm
4Hi Brian,
First of all, I want to complement you for letting your name be known. I really like to know who has written the page of information…I like personal contact. Glad to meet you!
I’m big into health too, and antioxidants. Maybe Dr. Pauling figured Vitamin C is so good for humans because it was a handy antioxidant for him to research and recommend.
I believe antioxidants are hugely important to us, and I DO take lots of vitamin C every day. I do ongoing research and add bits and pieces to our health regimen as I go along.
Thanks for bringing our attention to Vitamin C and the fact that most mammals produce it in great quantity.
Biocutisblog
April 16th, 2009 at 2:20 pm
5Very interesting!! I´ve never heard of other animals creating their own vitamin C or the contrast of humans relaying solely on their food intake to have this important vitamin. I think I´ll have to up my dosage in order to stay healthy and comply with the 60mg requirements.
Thanks for the information - I found it very helpful.
Richard Dennis
April 16th, 2009 at 2:44 pm
6That’s really good information about the animals. I wasn’t aware of how much Vitamin C they use.
Now … I wonder what their daily intake of aspirin and prozac and cialis is? We sure slug that stuff down. And the more of it we take, the more vitamin C we need to maintain our proper level of nutrients … and health. Yet, the recommendation is 60 mg a day. Do you think the government does this intentionally, or are they just that ignorant?
Richard,
Without going off on a conspiracy rant let me just state that I thoroughly believe the government is aware at some level and for the right price they will feign ignorance of just about anything.
Thanks for your comment
Brian
Brenda Bunney
April 16th, 2009 at 3:50 pm
7I didn’t know animals made their own Vitamin C. That is very interesting! I do know when I am ill I can really tell if I take Vitamin C…. I can feel it work!
Allison Searvern
April 16th, 2009 at 4:02 pm
8Extremely interesting article. I’ve always been a big believer of taking extra Vitamin C and I thought I knew a little more than the average person about the subject. But I was pleasantly surprised to find out that I didn’t know squat about this!
Many years ago, I took upwards of 25 grams of C when very ill with strep throat. It was instrumental is knocking it out very quickly. The first time I took tablets, which was a mess as you can guess (50 tablets!). So the second time I visited my physician and asked — against his recommendation I might add — him to give me an injection of it. It worked great!
I own Dr. Pauling’s book. I’m going to have to pull it out and read it!
Thanks for peaking my interest in the subject again.
Allison
Jose Martinez
April 16th, 2009 at 5:18 pm
9I figured we didn’t make our own vitamin C, but I didn’t know that other animals made their own in nature. I wonder why we were selected not to make our own vitamin C along with Gorillas? Could there be a “vitamin C creation switch” genetically speaking? Thanks for the informative post.
Jose,
I am not sure why gorillas and guinea pigs can no longer produce their own vitamin C. I know that in humans it is due to a genetic mutation that prevents us from producing one of the 4 enzymes necessary to make vitamin c from glucose. My guess would be something similar occurred in gorillas and guinea pigs but I cant say for sure.
Brian
Sheri
April 16th, 2009 at 6:30 pm
10I love Airborne. As soon as I start to feel run down and and coming down with a cold I put a tab of airborne in water and let it fizz. Soon after I drink it, I can feel a big difference. It is like a huge dose of Vitamin C. That is amazing animals make their own Vitamin C and therefore never see them sick. That is amazing!
DuncanM
April 17th, 2009 at 6:27 am
11Fascinating insight into vitamin C, it makes you wonder why humans don’t produce their own like so many animals. I don’t imagine it would do us any harm to increase our intake of vitamin C and would probably benefit those who don’t have a balanced diet.
Duncan,
Humans lost the ability to manufacture one of the 4 enzymes necessary to make vitamin c from glucose.
Thanks for your comment.
Brian
ian harper
April 17th, 2009 at 12:08 pm
12everything these days has a legal aspect to it and i think this might be at the heart of this issue. whats funny about people these days is they just don’t tune in to what their body is telling them. every time we get to know what causes some really big illnesses its down to what we put into our bodies. the latest is that the big rise in mental illness in old age is down to not having the balance between omega 3 and omega 6 right.
Julie McClelland
April 17th, 2009 at 9:42 pm
13The thing that is so great about Vitamin C is that we naturally pass out what we don’t need.
For women iron deficiency is quite normal - vitamin C helps us absorb iron, therefore making us feel alot healthier and with more energy.
Sydney Johnston
April 18th, 2009 at 6:57 am
14I totally agree that such a meager amount of vitamin C is inadequate. Years ago I learned something incredibly valuable that has worked almost 100% of the time: to shorten a cold, cough, congestion or other nasty, take 1000% mg of vitamin C for three days. Spread this out over the day - split your dosage into at least three sessions because we don’t store vitamin C. After three days, reduce the dosage to 5,000 mg. until the ailment is gone. This is much healthier, safer and cheaper than taking any kind of drug - even OTC drugs. And it’s just as effective.
Terri Stallcop
April 19th, 2009 at 9:44 am
15Wow, I knew our Vitamin C was inadequate but I didn’t know that I really should be taking quite that much. Even just 3 grams is a whole lot. Excellent info and well written!
Bill Tessore
April 19th, 2009 at 6:10 pm
16Yes, yes, it’s true that nature & the governmental establishment charged with establishing after our standard nutritional needs are in disagreement … but there’s no money in Vitamin C (unless one is in a nutritionals based MLM).
I appreciate you,
Bill Tessore
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Sylvia Buetow
April 20th, 2009 at 9:56 pm
17Animals not only produce their own vitamin C but produce much more when they are under stress. That’s a totally new idea. and a lesson for me. You know I’ll be taking much more from now on. I thank you.
Gregg Thorpe
April 22nd, 2009 at 2:12 pm
18Good information… I heard it is better to get Vitamin C in powder form than pill form.. and I’m also sure there are varying QUALITIES available.
Gregg,
Powdered c and capsules are better better because they lack the binding agents and fillers found in tablets. I am on the fence about the other quality issues. I have always felt that any c is good c but there are certainly standards to consider in regard to quality.
Thanks for your comment,
Brian
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April 22nd, 2009 at 4:07 pm
19Very informative post. I had absolutely no idea that animals produced their own Vitamin C, and in such high quantities to. It makes you wonder why our own bodies aren’t made to be a little more efficient in this regard.
Ferny
April 23rd, 2009 at 2:33 pm
20I completely agree, which is why I supplement with some pretty potent vitamins. Unfortunately, I don’t eat enough fruit to meet my real needs, so supplements are essential. Why do you suppose the recommended dosage is so low?
Ferny,
I think the dosage is so low because at some level the information is being suppressed. If we all took the amount of C we needed there would be a drastic reduction in heart disease, colds and flus and who knows what else. This would be catastrophic for some pharmaceutical businesses. They have billions at stake and a powerful lobbying team in Washington.
thanks for your comment
Brian
Kim Bolte
April 23rd, 2009 at 10:30 pm
21I’ve been taking large doses of vitamin C since the 70s. I think it has a lot to do with my good level of health. I’m currently taking 39 mg of vitamin C per day. I wonder what effect caffeine has on vitamin C in the body.
That animals produce so much vitamin C was amazing to me.
Kim Bolte
April 23rd, 2009 at 10:32 pm
22OOPS! I’m currently taking 3900 mg of vitamin C per day.
Andreas Guibeb
April 26th, 2009 at 6:26 am
23I am a proponent of an holistic system approach to everything including the health and well-being of natural systems. Science was able to make the advances we witness today because of the comparative study and analysis of life systems similar in anatomy and biology to the human system.
The credibility of science depends on the honesty of scientist like Dr Linus Pauling willing to defend the results of their findings whether it suits prevailing dogma or not.
We should not fear truth for it is not truth but orchestrated ignorance - the opium served through the media which is at the root of the challenges we face.
Andreas,
Very well stated, I could not agree more.
Brian
Kalona
April 27th, 2009 at 9:04 am
24Hi Brian ~ thank you for the article! I had never heard of this, either, and am most fascinated. My mom was a Dr. Spock subscriber and always told me that you can never take too much VItamin C…your body will absorb what it needs and rid itself of the rest. I’ve taken 500mg every day of my adult life and it seems to really make a difference. I’ve forwarded to my mom…thanks again!
Vicki
April 27th, 2009 at 5:43 pm
25Nature gives us all of the answers we need to have optimal health and yet especially when it comes to prevention, we aren’t listening. Vitamin C helps keep our immune system strong, and I was told many years ago that it is healthy for our connective tissue in the body. With the stress that our bodies are exposed to everyday from all areas of our lives to chemicals and toxins in our environment, we need to keep our defenses strong. Vitamin C is also very helpful in healing our body. 60 mg is not enough to do all that our bodies need Vitamin C to do.
Jon Clayton
April 30th, 2009 at 10:27 am
26Brian, I completely agree with you. There is no way 60 mg of vitamin C is going to maintain a healthy resistance to infection. I personally use nearly 10 times that ammount. In light of the swine flu, this is even more important than ever. Great post. Thanks!
Rhonda Wudarczyk
April 30th, 2009 at 1:24 pm
27I agree with you. We are not getting enough Vitamin C. The FDA seems to change its mind every other minuet. But I know what it does for me and 60mg is NOT enough for me or anyone else. You have written an awesome article here! So happy to share it with others!!
Shelly Bishop
April 30th, 2009 at 8:56 pm
28I take usually 2-4000 mg per day on a normal basis. When I feel sick or under the weather, I take much more. I make a drink I call ” human rocket fuel”. First you take the juice of 3 lemons, 1 cup orange juice or grape fruit juice, 2-6 cloves of fresh garlic (whatever you can handle- its a natural antibiotic) a 1 inch piece of fresh ginger root (it settles your stomach) and about 2 tbs. of honey and add 1 tsp of powdered vitamin c. Put it all in the blender and blend until well blended, may take a minute or so. Then I put it in a quart jar and sip it throughout the day. Rerfrigerate it when not drinking it. It will knock out just about any cold in a day or two usually. I am not sure how much Vit C is in it but it is loaded!
The taste kind of grows on you after a few sips.
Debra Berndt
May 4th, 2009 at 3:29 pm
29I did not know that humans do not produce their own vitamin C. How do we take it? I heard that vitamins are not absorbed properly and that we should get it through natural foods.
There are so many “standards” made that do not fit the individual. A personal nutrition plan is probably the best route to take if you want to make sure you are doing everything right.
Thanks for your article!
Debra,
Its my pleasure, thank you for your comment. The best form is powdered or capsules because they dont contain the fillers and binders of tablets.
Brian
ryanenglish
May 4th, 2009 at 8:01 pm
30Wow! I didn’t know some animals can produce their own Vitamin C! Personally, I take 500mg tab of Vitamin C a day and if I feel I’m coming down with the colds, I double my daily dosage and it works! I think a 60mg-a-day required daily intake of this vitamin is hardly enough protection for the body. As human beings and as we don’t produce our own Vit C, we should include fruits and vegetables in our diet to get as much nutrients as we can to stay healthy. It’s no joke to get sick these days.
Lisa Ray
May 4th, 2009 at 10:04 pm
31Dr. Linus Pauling is not the only one who thinks that 250 mg. of Vitamin C is good.
Dr. Andrew Weil, often seen on Oprah, also recommends this dosage.
Here’s a post from him on Vitamin C where he recommends that same dosage:
http://www.drweil.com/drw/u/id/QAA158495
nat014
May 8th, 2009 at 1:13 pm
32Thanks for this great article. Did not know animals were able to generate their own. I would agree that the human machine is no different than those of animals in the sense the body is made in such a way to cope with nature.
I am just wondering why isn’t there more vitamins C with a higher content if we need so much? It seems that we do need so much … is our body producing something else to compensate? I have been taking vitamin C and based on your article just wondering if I should increase the dosage. Can you ever take too much vitamin C and is there a new product on its way to bring us the appropriate requirement. Thanks for brigging up the subject.
Steve DeVane
May 13th, 2009 at 11:04 pm
33Great information. I had never considered the connection between the amount of Vitamin C synthesized by other animals and the amount we should be taking, but it makes a lot of sense. There is no doubt the RDA of Vitamin C deserves another look. As a matter of fact, I think it’s a good time to re-examine RDA on all vitamins and minerals.
rod fra
May 13th, 2009 at 11:49 pm
34EVOLUTION of humans has contributed to the state most are in today. the convenience of cars to get from a to b instead of walking or running has practically eliminated the daily exercise humans once performed without giving it a 2nd thought or the need for motivation.
our diets toooooo has changed somewhat :-}} :-}} :-}}
on average we eat 3 whole meals a day opposed to every other day like our ancestors feeding our body’s with more & more refined, processed foods/junk that we literally have little idea what actually goes into it even if they are labelled.
if you observe the average human, young. old or in-between you would conclude that we in the western society live in a “fat persons world” …
sorry but the truth usually hurts.
no wonder why our metabolism is CHANGING !!!
all the best
rod fra
lisa harrison
May 13th, 2009 at 11:50 pm
35WOW, you really do learn something new every day. I have always believed the recommended daily allowance of all vitamins and minerals is a joke. I personally use AMLA powder from india for my Vit C intake. I believe it is the highest, purest form of Vit C available. Thanks for sharing
Bruce
June 5th, 2009 at 3:55 pm
36It’s best and safe to try 1000mg of vitamin ‘c’ per day. 60mg is way too low and does practically nothing. Dr Pauling was taking up to 3-4000mg a day of vitamin ‘c’ for disease prevention. He lived into his nineties. Can’t say there’s a legitimate connection but I think it’s important to focus on the quality and type of vitamin ‘c’ one ingests. Some vit ‘c’ sold is garbage. Better quality ‘c’ is more expensive. Go figure. Wherever there’s a buck to be made, someone will be there with the lowest-quality stuff in the world for sale.
Tyler Holt
June 28th, 2009 at 10:34 am
37Brian,
I enjoyed your article. My mother shared with me a similar artlicle some time ago about animals producing their own vit C and I found it extrememly fascinating. I was just curious as to where you got your information from as far as the studies that show that those animals produce the numbers you were talking about of vit C? It is a shame the way that Alternative Medicine has be systematically demonized and down played by the powers that be. After all it only takes a glance at our health care spending in this country to see where our so called “Modern Medicine” has gotten us with 3 out of 4 dollars spent on the TREATMENT of “chronic diseases”.
I’ll hop off of my soap box now. I take about 5.5 grams of C a day (not counting what I get from my food)
Tyler,
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